Ministry Imagine #2

What if people could find God inside a bar?

  • This is what the author is writing about as he draws on his own experience of creating space inside a bar for people of all backgrounds to gather around a table for conversation and a good brown ale or whatever they drink.
  • Here’s a great quote from his book Pub Theology that’s full of good ministry wisdom:

“Our goal was not to create a program that we run where we give our perspective and then allow questions, time permitting. From the outset we wantd to make sure that this was not going to be a ‘setup.’ In other words, get people in the door, ‘pretend’ to have a conversation, then hit them up for a gospel presentation. Rather, we wanted to allow anyone and everyone to come and get their perspective. To share their story. To unload their baggage about religion, about faith, about God. To have a group that is willing to listen without judgment, to accept without demanding conformity, to simply embrace them as another human being… (p. 30)

Interested in another way to participate in God’s kingdom work?

  • My wife and I sponsor a six-year old child from Uganda named Marita. It costs on $35 a month, which we can more than afford. It is but one way to be an instrument of peace in this world, in someone else’s life
  • Our sponsorship is through World Vision. You can also, go though Compassion International. Both are Christian organizations.
  • Speaking of adopting children, November, which is not far away, is National Adoption Month. So let me mention Orphan’s Lifeline of Hope which is another fine Christian organization.

So what’s on your mind that can help us live as better ministers?

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8 responses to “Ministry Imagine #2

  1. I would think that pub theology would be the definition of “casting your pearls before swine.”

    • Maybe you should spend a little more time with Jesus then, who was accused of being a glutton and drunkard because he associated as a friend with tax collectors and sinners (cf. Lk 7:34).

  2. Great comment Jeff 🙂 but really inapropriate.

    • I wasn’t calling anyone a swine. it means wasting your time on those who don’t really care to hear, they have no use for it, if they did they wouldn’t be in a pub to begin with, now would they? I don’t think pub’s are the places people go to seek Christ. As Christians, are we not to flee every form of evil? Are we not to set the best example? Bibles and beer just don’t mix. We need to bring people to Jesus, we don’t bring Jesus down to their level, we raise them up to His. I associate with “sinners” as well, I just don’t go and dwell in their houses of sin. I don’t recall Jesus doing that either, outside of a synagogue. I wonder if people could find Jesus in a brothel? let me know how your wife feels about that one.

      • With the closed and narrow-mindedness you seem to have, I doubt you would find anyone in a pub who is seeking Christ but that doesn’t mean they’re not in the pub. You say “we don’t bring Jesus down to their level” and yet none of us would be Christians had our Holy God not become flesh, becoming one of us on our level and becoming sin so that we might become the righteousness of God. So perhaps you might want to think through the doctrine of incarnation a bit more and read through the gospels a bit more before you cast of people in a pub.

        And if it matters, I have baptized a person whom I met in a pub and began talking with them about God, life, and ultimately Jesus.

  3. Good for you Rex. But when Christ came He was perfect, He had the power not to give in to temptation, we don’t have that power. My only point is, what will others think who see Rex Butts going into a pub? Will they realize what your there for? or will you more likely be setting a bad example? Will you become a hypocrite in their eyes? The hooker on the corner needs Jesus as well, would you drive up and try to talk to her on the corner? Would your wife understand? would the police?Or would you realize that, that might not look so good and not do it? questions to ponder.

    • You need to rethink your premise that Jesus “had the power not to give in to temptation, we don’t have that power.” Sin is a choice. Jesus was tempted and able to sin but chose not too; there was not any external power preventing him from sinning otherwise the temptation wasn’t real. The reason Jesus said “no!” to sin was that he chose to live in submission to his Father by the power of the Holy Spirit which had descended upon him after his baptism (cf. Matt 3:13-17). Likewise, if we have received the gift of the Holy Spirit then we have that same power and we can choose to walk by the Spirit and not gratify whatever desires of the flesh we have (cf. Gal 5:16ff).

      So I don’t fear of walking into a pub any more than I do walking around my own neighborhood because I can say “no!” to the flesh as much in the pub as I can in my neighborhood. And as for what others may think and do…don’t forget that Jesus did hang out with the sinner’s and tax-collectors (cf. Lk 7:34) and didn’t seem to give any care about what others might think.

      Remember… We live by faith, not fear!

      Grace and Peace,

      Rex

      • Jesus was tempted as men were, but He was still God, He was the perfect example showing us that it is possible to deny the flesh. “all men sin and fall short of the glory of God.” There was only one who was perfect and that was Jesus Christ. That’s why we mere men must be careful.

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